
Vier5, Poster for Exhibition Phalanstère with Prinz Gholam, Hans Walter Müller and Matthieu Lehanneur
I first saw the work of French design team Vier5 (Marco Fiedler and Achim Reichert) in Tokion magazine a couple of years ago, but for almost a decade they have been creating what they call "new forward-looking images in the field of visual communication." They have also repeatedly referred to their work as modern by which I take them to mean not Modern as it has come to be understood, but modern as in contemporary. The duo is adamant that our times require their own letterforms the typefaces of yesterday will not suffice. This is an ambitious project, and it carries with it an implicit critique, not so much of the Modernists of a half century ago, but of the decades of designers since who have passively forfeited the idea of being new to their predecessors.

Vier5, Cover of Compact and Finite They Pass. Wow for exhibition of Viola Klein at the Frankfurter Kunstverein
In a 2004 interview Vier5 said, "you cannot work with modern pictures and at the same time use the typefaces of the last 50 years. The time for these typefaces is gone." Judging by their body of work these modern pictures require typography that could be described as post-digital. The letterforms they have made for forward-thinking clients like the Center for Contemporary Art in Bretigny, France, and magazines like Colette and Foto, look handmade but by a hand that has spent a lot of time on the computer. Jagged pixel-like edges appear stretched and inconsistent in a way that a computer would have to be coaxed into rendering. The forms are geometric but our ideas of balance and proportion are inverted. The digital experience informs their work but does not define it.

Vier5, Invitation for exhibition of Nicolas Chardonthe, Centre of Contemporary Art in Bretigny
This mixture of the organic and the technical brings to mind another proponent of new typography. In 1928, Jan Tschichold wrote in The New Typography: "It was left to our age to achieve a lively focus on the problem of 'form' or design. While up to now form was considered as something external, a product of the 'artistic imagination'...today we have moved considerably closer to the recognition of its essence through the renewed study of nature and more especially to technology (which is only a kind of second nature)."

Vier5, Poster for exhibition by David Lamelas, Centre of Contemporary Art in Bretigny
Tschichold's careful distinction between man's imagination and nature reflects a complicated feature of modernity. As Bruno Latour explored in We Have Never Been Modern, modernity is on the one hand characterized by parsing the differences between things like culture and nature, while at the same time it constructs systems that mix politics, science, technology, nature, and so on. Vier5's work, with its blending of the hand-made and the digital, embodies this contradictory quality. Latour suggests moving beyond a worldview of distinctions and instead accepting continuity between eras, cultures, and epistemes essentially rejecting the idea of newness. This approach allows us to move beyond a historically fixed idea of modernity and to embrace the connections between Tschichold and Vier5.
It is easy to fall back on clichés about the end of history and the post-modern condition, but this historical awareness can be just a convenient excuse for historicism. I'm not completely convinced that every historical moment requires new letterforms (this assertion contradicts one aspect of Modernism I find myself nostalgic for the goal of universality and commonality), but Vier5's unapologetic use of the word modern and their quest for the new is gutsy. Their work raises the question: is there a difference between being new and being modern?
Comments [120]
03.29.07
10:41
Good job you can still use 50 year-old bullshit, though, isn't it?
Their work raises the question: is there a difference between being new and being modern?
I can think of a thousand other questions it raises before I get to that one! ;-)
03.29.07
10:48
B) it sucks
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03.29.07
11:47
Wow, the future is now!
And these letterforms should be extremely difficult to read because, well, our times are more difficult than "other" times, right?
And these letterforms should be disjointedly digital because, well, that's what the Internet has made us, right?
And these letterforms should be created by typographers who spend far too much time watching Battlestar Galactica (great show, btw).
03.29.07
11:49
I'm all for development and newness, but I prefer my newness with less ugly.
03.29.07
11:53
03.29.07
12:03
idea doesn't really do it for me. But I am a
fan of the work produced by studios such
as A2/SW/HK and Non Format - who seem
to have a similar approach.
03.29.07
12:09
03.29.07
12:15
Dmitri, I love this work by Vier5. The question you ask is obviously rhetorical, but it's the question these days in so much new work. Thanks for this post.
03.29.07
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12:46
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03.29.07
01:10
See, there's concept of "new" that is based on reality, as was Muller-Brockmann, then there's this concept of "new" that's based on the designer's masturbatory fantasies.
03.29.07
01:12
Sorry people, but '15-year-old Megadeth notebook doodle' is not a earth-changing and contemporary means of communication. It's just an interesting visual style. So please do join the rest of us down here when your horse dies.
03.29.07
01:26
If they want to improve the typography of our time then coloured links and something other than Times on their website would be a good start.
03.29.07
01:29
Don't do this to me. I just can't take this kind of thing in the morning.
However, yes--to go back to the last question posed: there is a difference between being new and being modern, though often people confuse "modern" with "contemporary." Modern is a philosophy. You can adopt it or eschew it now or later. But the idea of the "new," perhaps its tyranny-- is our belief that we will find consolation in redirection, in refreshment.
03.29.07
01:40
Also, Conor, Nice use of Times on their website? Surely they can be allowed to break their own rules when it comes to using web-safe fonts.
03.29.07
01:44
This is not to say that their approach is universally wrong (I'm not a Loosite, after all), but that they are deluded if they think they are forming any kind of doctrine that was not already penned by early 20th century futurists.
Futurism has always had its eccentric charm. But modernism has always been the future.
03.29.07
01:52
The present will be informed by the past even if ignored. Breaking with the past assumes there is a past to break with... this could go around and around.
03.29.07
02:01
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03.29.07
02:19
Cute statement, cute convictions.
(a description I'm sure the creators would detest)
Refreshing, yes, but I do not feel the earth move under my feet.
03.29.07
02:19
03.29.07
02:30
The attitude is pointless, and their attempt at hype and self-importance impairs the ability of the work to speak for itself. Beware pretense in all its forms...
Additionally, while much of the work is nice, its not like "different" typefaces will somehow change the meaning of the words. C'mon. Are we about the expression of ideas, or just about achieving new levels of stylish vapidity?
03.29.07
03:14
Who cares if the work actually makes you want to delete all your classical fonts? That's not the point, not for me at least. The point, as I see it, is that we have some designers here that are approaching typography with an ambitious philosophy, the result of which is aggressively contemporary, and, to me, at least, quite beautiful
03.29.07
03:22
and i really like their approach and their work. brachial schoen.
03.29.07
03:27
These guys are essentially artists..their work is limited to a special niche which values the eccentric, but is this "new" form valid for the mainstream?
There seems to be a tendency for some to treat design as some sort of art science, in which designing in a vacuum can lead to some breakthrough - in this instance, the typography of our era. However, eventually one has to come to realize the fallacy of such behavior.
03.29.07
03:27
This idea of throwing out all that is old is not new. The Futurists, whose typographic expression freed us from our rigid adherence to setting copy line by line, expressed an anger towards all old ways of historicism. The Dada artist wanted to destroy all the museums and the art idea of the past for new ways of seeing and presenting visible images.
Like these designs or not, we need movements like this every 20 or 30 years to help us at least explore possible ways of presenting our visual communication.
03.29.07
03:46
Which makes Vier5 suspect of at least two things : first, that they came to work in France because there was much less serious competition here than in Germany ; second, that they chose France because it is probably the only place in Europe where such self-indulgent bullshit can be taken seriously (even by academics).
On one particular level, Vier5 ARE French graphic designers : like so many graphic designers in my country, they have been lucky enough to find a publicly-funded cultural institution (theatre, museum, art gallery) which they now use as a milk cow to pursue the personal "creative agenda" without the slightest regard for the public.
03.29.07
03:49
03.29.07
04:11
Letterforms can never be a 'crystal goblet' to content. You read well what you read best and I think the letterforms and typesetting reflect a design that questions the common graphical conventions of today. 'Ugly' is a personal opinion on the aesthetic of a thing, and therefore subjective. I know a lot of young people my age (early 20s) who would find this work beautiful. But we are judging the work from a prospective that has not yet been shaped by living in the age when modernism (universal language) was born - we were born during the age of the computer, electronics, and the birth of 'post-modernism.' Perhaps this work will cause controversy within the design community, but what graphic revolution hasn't? Regardless of whether this aesthetic will cause a graphic revolution, it has pushed and will continue to push our aesthetic away from the everyday, the ordinary, the expected. Isn't that enough to be considered new? One could say that nothing is ever new. But perhaps we can say something is not expected.
My concern is that hopefully this will move us foreward - stimulating designers to move in a direction not yet taken, provoking them to analyze visual works in a different framework. It is without this type of critical visual analysis that this aesthetic will turn into nothing by meaningless style.
03.29.07
04:27
Haven't you seen the New New New Typography?
Jeesh.
03.29.07
04:36
I would argue that pursuing a 'creative agenda' which actively critiques the current state of design provides an invaluable public service.
03.29.07
04:42
I find the work very contemporary and beautiful. It communicates in many different levels. Contrary to others tired beliefs of so called "proper approach to communication" I find the work very engaging. I just wish more people had the backbone to challenge our notion of "good" design. Great work Vier5!
03.29.07
04:44
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03.29.07
04:59
To those who say it's ugly: are you disturbed because these thorny images "pricked" your eyes? If so, they have succeeded: the impression was made. They're in your head.
03.29.07
05:06
There's nothing wrong in pursuing a personal creative agenda and in doing so, kicking up a little dust in the tiny realm of graphic design as long as you deliver.
The trouble is : Vier5 obviously doesn't care about fulfilling the mission they are primarily paid for i.e. giving the public information about the exhibitions staged at the CAC, and making people want to go and see these exhibitions. Grand schemes about the current state of graphic design (in France or elsewhere) should come second in their priorities, not first.
Plus : being transgressive and thought-provoking is the task performed by the contemporary works exhibited there's no use in making the CAC communication transgressive and thought-provoking as well (and certainly not in such a shallow way).
03.29.07
05:31
I want to peg it for trying to be hip, as in "of hipsters".
And I want to ask "why" because the idea that our times require their own letterforms doesn't explain the formal conclusion.
03.29.07
05:45
The CAC is, ultimately, still the client, and they have the final say in what gets printed or not. That they are adventurous enough to commission such progressive and provocative (in my opinion) work says a lot to me about their design literacy and provides me with some context about the values of their institution (i.e. that they are more interested in pushing the boundaries of contemporary design than something that would be more 'general public-friendly' makes me expect similar attitudes to their art exhibitions).
03.29.07
05:53
Yes, it tells us that their design literacy is limited to what they think is cool.
03.29.07
06:04
"handmade but by a hand that has spent a lot of time on the computer"-- i think that is a great assessment of their work, and that interpretation highlights for me what is contemporary about them. You see the technology, and you see the personality. What makes work contemporary? For me, it's work that reflects the technology that created it. Vier5 do this in a self-conscious manner, which makes their work notable.
Manuel
03.29.07
06:13
i can respect their theory that there needs to be new typefaces to go with the modern age, but that does not mean they have to throw principles like kerning out the window.
plus, it is difficult and awkward to read. i thought the entire point of letterforms was to quickly and effortlessly understand and READ the message...
03.29.07
06:24
03.29.07
06:33
But I'm always confused by the use of the word "contemporary," and here is no exception. For instance, if contemporary means of the time, would we (perhaps prematurely) base it on the most common usage of typography shown during an era and not by the most eccentric? I don't think Ed Fella is contemporary, he is perhaps best described as "Ed Fella," in a region neither historic or contemporary. Where does the personal voice, which I would definitely say Vier5 has, have an influence on contemporary?
And if we are speaking of design of the times, their typography certainly has some similarites to the work of Wim Crouwel and a few other designers from that era, as well as early bit-based typography. I question its "contemporariness" (if there is such a word) with that in mind. While I particularly like "handmade but by a hand that has spent a lot of time on the computer" as their definition of what they consider to be a characteristic of contemporary design, we perhaps need to resolve that this is a contemporary practice or physical exercise, but not necessarily contemporary in terms of aesthetics.
I particularly like the cover of Compact and Finite They Pass. Wow. The subtle changes in the letterforms (unless that is simply a rendering issue) begin to create a more progressive vision of contemporary type design. To see their typography push and explore systems beyond the traditional typographic systems is certainly a step in the right direction to exploring the possibilities of design during our time.
03.29.07
09:34
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03.29.07
10:17
Modern most definitely does NOT mean "creating something not seen before." What it does mean... well different things to different people when it comes to art and even more so when it comes to design. Which is why I generally stay away from that term.
I use the word 'contemporary' to describe design which reflects or engages in the moment we live in, both generally and design-historically. The "most common" has nothing to do with it; the most common paintings are found in mall galleries and on beach boardwalks - would you call those sailboats and prairie houses "contemporary"?
03.29.07
11:16
Depends on the style and medium it was executed in :)
Contemporary art/design is only as relevant as the context of the view. I may look at a piece of art that is contemporary now but over time the term will not be relevant.
Changes in commonality and in cultural expectation will inherently shift contemporary labels. Interestingly, modern is defined as "Pertaining to the current time and style".
03.30.07
02:10
03.30.07
04:58
Vier5's thoughts on typography echo those of Jeff Keedy from a 1993 Eye Magazine essay:
"You cannot do new typography with old typefaces. ... It is always possible to do good typography with old typefaces. But why are so many typographers insistent on trying to do the impossiblenew typography with old faces?"Jeff Keedy, "The rules of typography according to [crackpots] experts"
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As a side note, one can advance much further in one's education by striving to make connections between ideas, not by always trying to find the exception. I wish to thank Dimitri for his rumination on modernity.
03.30.07
10:43
dot dot dot
and extrude the type from between her veiled screens. The same to be read between the sands of time and his knobby branches.
03.30.07
12:13
03.30.07
01:02
To me, the few Vier5 pieces Dmitri has included here are striking and beautiful. They are new in the sense that the work unabashedly embraces the act of creating, and making. Not that this is necessarily new within the context of design, but it does stand in contrast to most design work we see, on a typical day.
It is unfortunate that so many of us immediately dismiss statements, such as those made Vier5. Perhaps statements like these are arrogant. However, to use this as reason to further dismiss their work is lazy, and comes from a place that is potentially equally arrogant. It is also a form of withdrawal from more interesting topics, other than how offended one is by such things. Whether I agree or disagree with what they say, I see it as a glimpse inside their thinking. It tells me right away that there is an intellectual starting point, or an ideology that informs and propels the work. It says that these people are engaged with a world beyond that of just the work itself, or their client's "deliverables". That's nice for a change, isn't it!?
03.30.07
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03.30.07
03:37
i'm all for newness, but personally, this is lacking context. how do these typeforms relate to what they are communicating....certainly not all of the posters/magazines have the message of "screw the old"....seems auto-erotic....like shock art..which does not float my fancy. but maybe i'm missing something.
03.30.07
03:48
Lazlo Moholy Nagy
El Lizzitzky
Herbert Bayer
Wim Crouwel
the Emigre dou
the van Bloklands
Pierre di Sciullo
Jeffery Keedy
Edward Fella
Carson (in the 90s)
and I'm sure I've forgotten a few.....
It's not their work (which is ok, but not so hot) but the sales rap that is annoying. Lucky them to have smart people like Mr. Siegel willing to overlook their naiveté, to do the explaining/introducing, or to even raise the interesting questions. My vote is: no, the work's not modern, but absolutely contemporary. But their argument, without acknowledging any sort of context or past, pretending that they invented this, pretending they've invented something new? That is pure, solid gold and timeless horse manure.
03.30.07
04:19
03.30.07
04:21
Yeah, I would agree if they refused to acknowledge the names on your list as legitimate historical antecedents. I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt, though, because, besides the short hyperbolic quotes in the article, I've never read anything else these guys have written/said. What they are doing is new, but only as a progression of an idea put forth and advanced by Crouwel, Keedy, Mr and Mrs Emigre, et al. The reference to such recent design history makes it more, not less, interesting. It's very nice to see this leg of design history being expanded and recombined into something refreshing, rather than letting it stagnate and die.
03.30.07
05:45
I just hope my clients don't fire me now.
Thank you Dmitri for a thought-provoking post.
03.30.07
05:49
I think the thing that makes me suspicious is that this context that has allegedly changed has not really changed (the way it did in the late 80s to mid 90s): or, the way it has changed this time has nothing to do with production and everything to do with distribution. It doesn't seem like typography is the medium to use right now to describe those changes, which is why we are not in a "hot" type moment at this moment. Which does not make their work worthless, but makes the arguement - ok, theirs or Dmitri's - seem awfully thin.
03.30.07
06:39
Your second paragraph brings up some interesting points, though I can't say I agree with your conclusions. You say that typography is not the medium to describe the moment we live in, but the fact remains that type is still with us and it's not going away. This "handmade-digital" aesthetic that Dmitri talks about has been with us for a while, at least since the late 90s (see PaperRad for example) and I see it as a frustrated response to the wiki-aesthetic. If that's too "cool" a reference, then look at the recent resurgence in handmade crafted items and magazines like Make. It's taken typography a while to catch up, but here these guys are and, their possibly ego-maniacal faults aside, I think it's fantastic they are trying.
03.30.07
07:35
If commenters want to be negative and sometimes ugly, let it be. Don't swoop down to pat the writer on the back and say "thanks for the post, I love this work, blah, blah, blah." It's boring and doesn't add to the discussion.
03.31.07
12:32
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VR/
03.31.07
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03.31.07
12:59
I think it is great design that is most certainly informed, and totally in context. It is legible, eyecatching, communicative and sylish to me.
What would the haters like to see? Another bastardised version of Helvetica?
03.31.07
07:49
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10:00
Why is it that we are not talking about every flagging designer that has either come from the school of Josef Muller-Brockman or built a voodoo shrine to him in their office or school locker?
We could find a hell of a lot more examples of derivative from him and others, while those of you call Vier5's work uninspired, illegible and unoriginal.
On Legibility
Legibility could be a concern if you are looking to display large amounts of information. Yet, we also have to remember that letters are symbols first and only through the assembly of many of them can we derive readable information of meaning.
From the examples on their website(of which many are still quite small seeing they are orginally posters), much of the vital information seems to be readable. Pleasant? To each his own. The body text i can't make much of as the sample is nowhere near the actual size of the piece. So, i can't comment.
The point of this all are those dream sequences in your everyday life when you being to see cows jumping fences in clouds, letterforms derived from cracks in the street and religious figures appearing on every form of food imaginable.
It all in the mind's eye.
If this is acceptable to their clients and themselves, then let them ride this gravy train.
The public disapproval to their "arrogant" statement is a little overblown. It's as if everyone commenting on this doesn't adhere themselves to silly rules or their own arrogant practices of which they are using as ammo to make their case here today.
I smell hypocrisy.
03.31.07
01:22
beautiful is HAS BEEN DUDE
03.31.07
01:55
People's claims that their work isn't actually "new" is precisely what I meant by historicism. There is a kind of relativistic paralysis that can come from a small amount of historical perspective. It's quite dull.
I also want to be clear that the particular interpretation of the word "modern" and the analysis of that term is mine not Vier5's. They shouldn't be held accountable for what critics like me write in response to their work.
03.31.07
02:10
Dmitri, can you expand on this? Maybe with an example or two? Not sure what this can mean....
03.31.07
04:50
Do you mean paralysis on the part of the critics or by the creators? Willfully ignoring relevant historical precedent is dangerous. Calling something 'new' and ignoring its historical context diminishes the achievements of those that came before and makes it easier for others to brush the work off as pure fluff.
03.31.07
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04.01.07
03:01
Ugh. This is exactly the kind of sentiment that is why I believe graphic design is one of the most boring, unproductive, and masturbatory professions on earth. Repeat that same statement to anyone outside of our profession and they will laugh at you. And they should.
04.01.07
06:53
It's bold.
It's not exactly easy to read.
It's naive.
I guess there's a sort of balance to it.
I like the black and the green.
It must be that new age.
It's a hight in art that I haven't quite reached yet.
I don't really like it because that's the way it makes me feel.
I feel as though I'm outside of THE joke.
It will grasp the young and hip who haven't seen this before.
04.01.07
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04.01.07
12:46
If everyone in our profession thought like this then it certainly would be.
04.01.07
01:46
Ugh. This is exactly the kind of sentiment that is why I believe graphic design is one of the most boring, unproductive, and masturbatory professions on earth. Repeat that same statement to anyone outside of our profession and they will laugh at you. And they should
Hmm...I can think of at least a few professions that would probably agree with Vier5's statement: fashion design, industrial design, architectsthough I recognize their closeness to our own field. Slightly further away from our field (or perhaps closer, depending on your interpretation) is writing. The novel has consistently been "reformatted" (for lack of a better word) based on what novelists believe is the most appropriate form for our times. Typography perhaps works on a more microscopic level than a novel would, so maybe the evolution of word and sentence structure is a better comparison?
I mean, what they say makes sense on a theoretical level, yes? Whether or not you believe they have successfully matched the making aspect of it to the thinking aspect is what's up for debate here.
04.01.07
07:06
Vonster
Amen Brother!!!!!!!
Nothing Grounbreaking or Revolutionary about the Jibberish and Gobbledegook.
Ole Saying, "You Don't Stand For Something, You'll Fall For Anything".
"Even in 1960, I think lots of people thought Josef Muller-Brockman was indulgent and "hard to read."
William Drenttel
Willem Sandberg was the unchallenged Master of unreadable Type Acrobatics that Challenged Cerebral and Visceral temperaments.
Peter Behrens
Lazlo Moholy Nagy
El Lizzitzky
Herbert Bayer
Wim Crouwel
the Emigre dou
the van Bloklands
Pierre di Sciullo
Jeffery Keedy
Edward Fella
Carson (in the 90s)
Tarpitzen
Other than the Names Highlighted in Bold above Willem Sandberg, Ben Shahn, Ardengo Soffici, Fillippo Tommaso Marinetti, Armando Mazza, Fortuneto Depero, Theo van Doesberg, Richard P. Lohse, Carlo Vivarelli, Max Huber, work was Superior to any of the names not highlighted in Bold.
Wanna see Typographic Acrobatics in all its Glory. Check out the new Monograph on World Master, Swiss Designer Max Huber. At you local bookstores.
That was indeed Die Neue Typographie.
DM
The Hostile Takeover of Corporate Identity
04.02.07
01:55
i love to hate these posts!
04.02.07
04:29
04.02.07
09:57
Ogham, Runes, Roman, etc involved scratches in wood and stone. Then that movable type thing happened. Now think harder with your hammer. What could really be new and indicative of our age besides movable scratches on a screen?
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12:42
I think that it is such a ridicious thing to look at there website and believe you have beat them at their own game because they used Garamond. C'mon, grow up. Here is a design company that have taken a good leap forward by believing that there is nothing wrong with embedding themselves in their work. That statement alone will bring out the fire and torches and the screams of Graphic Designers aren't artists, we work for a client.
You can post on this thread that you think they're a blight on the design landscape but to them you just look bitter.
Why can't we discuss the need for visual communication to move forward, wether you think this is forward or not, and have a discussion about engagement. Every single one of you has posted here because this worked stirred something in you. Vier5 want nothing more than that. You can hate it, you can love it, but the very least recognize that it is strong communication.
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10:01
If indeed our times require anything at all, what about letting us all make up our own minds about what 'suffices' - and not having pontificators telling us what to think?
04.03.07
11:14
"you cannot work with modern pictures and at the same time use the typefaces of the last 50 years. The time for these typefaces is gone."
That, or they could be Kraftwerkinese.
04.03.07
02:25
Which rather insults a great band with a great design aesthetic, I think. Kraftwerk are perfectly happy using typefaces like Futura or more recent fonts such as OCR A and Quartz. You know, the old-fashioned crap we're not supposed to need any more.
04.03.07
04:07
If you saw one of these posters out of the context of DO, walking down the street or something, arguably you might think its compelling. This post just seems like a lot of jealousy and ego flying around on both sides.
04.03.07
04:11
Maybe its partly because the majority of the work we peddle is ephemeral in nature that there is an assumption amongst us that it is inherently produced as an act of appropriation, rather than through worthy and dedicated investigation.
David Cabianca recently wrote about differences between two design professions: graphic design and architecture. Some of the issues that we are struggling with here can perhaps be given useful context when placed in contrast to how architects deal with similar issues:
"As someone who was first educated in architecture, I consider the practice of making to be a dialogue with those who have preceded me. I see history as a source of precedent and repository for meaning.... Architects use historical precedent to advance their own thoughts and explorations... When a graphic designer sees a piece of design and says, "Oh, that looks so '70s," the effect is to dismiss an opportunity to engage in a dialogue with history." (Cabianca)
04.03.07
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04.04.07
01:13
Make your own stuff and post it.
In conjunction with saturation:
in two parts with harmony
the reasons why
i dont own an apple
and the reason why I do
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04.05.07
06:25
Well, this is the comments area... Vier5 talks a lot of big talk and puffs themselves up by attacking 98% of design and designers. Why is it that when they receive equally strong criticism for their bold attention-getting and broad-brush critiquing, people start saying "Don't have an opinion! It's mean!"? No, it's a debate.
04.05.07
09:40
04.06.07
12:55
04.06.07
09:49
The people at Vier5 seem to want to work within their own idealistic notions. It might seem like an attack, but it really shows enthusiasm. Despite what I may think of the work, I feel very excited to see the energy. Dont worry, it wont harm the 'canon' :)
Also, it really speaks for Vier5 that so many people here have been affected by the work to post their comments. It would be far worse for them if nobody paid any attention.
04.19.07
11:04
05.01.07
03:49
05.04.07
08:51
Which rather insults a great band with a great design aesthetic, I think. Kraftwerk are perfectly happy using typefaces like Futura or more recent fonts such as OCR A and Quartz. You know, the old-fashioned crap we're not supposed to need any more.
Kraftwerk are the age of Grandparents.
06.05.07
10:31
01.23.08
01:43
the 1990s to me and, if I didn't know otherwise, that's what I would
have thought they were.
07.19.08
06:03
03.20.09
11:19